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PostPosted: Fri Jan 07, 2011 10:11 am    Post subject: [Public Work] Revolution Units

New content: Modifying/replacing the ColoMilitia with appropriate Milita/National Guards units. Minutemen will become generic Militiamen to untie the clear reference to the Americans. Their role and functionality will soo be redefined. Maybe unique Militiamen will be realized.

Colo Militias should get civ-dependent designs, cause the Colo Militia (name+design and also stats) does indeed only work for the colonial powers, but for instance not with Polish or Prussia.

So suggest National Guards or also known Militia forces of all in NE available civs!

Form: Image+Name+Description
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AUSTRIA
- #Tiroler Schützen
http://www.schuetzen-kramsach.at/cms/images/stories/Chronik/Schuetzenwesen/trachten.jpg

Tiroler Schützen were founded in 1511 due to the Landlibell (not to be confused with the Kaiserjäger which were founded around 1815). Tiroler Schützen have a very long and proud tradition, mainly because they were able to beat the regular French and Bavarian Army three times at Bergisel. They also were able to hold the front to Italy during WW1 until regular troops arrived.

Wiener/Freiwilliger
http://www.grosser-generalstab.de/tafeln/knoe12/knoe12_26.jpg
http://i050.radikal.ru/0911/f5/c06081c77b57.jpg (2nd+3rd from left)


In spite of the famous Tiroler Schützen the Austrians had like Prussia and Germany Landwehr regiments. The Landwehr is - in view of our timeline - a late type of militia/home guard. It became popular around ~1805. So it is definitely suited as Colonial Milita.


BRITISH
- #Fencibles & Sea Fencibles


DENMARK
- #Milits
- #Frivillige Korps (1808@Copenhagen)
http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Milits

- #Landmilits (1701)
http://da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Landmilitsen


DUTCH
- #Vrijcorps
- #Exercitiegenootschap
- #Orangist


FRANCE
- #Garde nationale


HOLY ROMAN EMPIRE
"Rheinbund-Musketier"
- Landwehr, Bürgermiliz, Freikorps, ...


ITALIAN STATES
- #Schiavoni


OTTOMAN EMPIRE
- #Nizam i-Cedit (maybe regular)


POLAND-LITHUANIA
- #Town Cossack (Militia UU?)
- #Partyzant (Guerilla; probably better as skirm)
- #Kosynierzy (plural?) - Melee Inf w. war scythe (probably better as vil melee boost or Church tech)
- #Reformed Musketeer (Zolnier, .. )


PORTUGAL
- #Ordenança

http://www.arqnet.pt/exercito/orgorden.html
http://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ordenan%C3%A7as
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qqOj1Wxj-tI/R__z04jMx_I/AAAAAAAAAFE/LIlQl3y8-_w/s1600/Milicias%2Be%2BOrdenan%C3%A7as%2Bok.jpg


PRUSSIA
- #Landwehr/Wehrmann

http://www.grosser-generalstab.de/tafeln/knoe17/knoe17_37.jpg
Indeed the prussian villie with a gun.

http://www.grosser-generalstab.de/sturm/img2/stm2_081.jpg
http://www.grosser-generalstab.de/sturm/img2/stm2_080.jpg
http://www.grosser-generalstab.de/tafeln/knoe02/knoe02_18.jpg
http://www.grosser-generalstab.de/tafeln/knoe13/knoe13_28.jpg

- #Frei-Infanterie (Frei-Corps) (better as Skirm?)


RUSSIA
- #Narodnoe Opolcheniye


SPAIN
- #Miquelet / Micalet
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_FbsQszSeAPw/SWiFcj2ghBI/AAAAAAAAFkE/SgtL26Q7So4/s400/D11.JPG
http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j62/dan62485/spanish_miquelets.jpg


SWEDEN
- #Lantvärn (Hemvärnet/Home Guard)
http://i46.tinypic.com/2ziy0zo.jpg
http://i47.tinypic.com/f260s8.jpg


SWISS
- #Cent-Suisse/Hundertschweizer?


UNITED STATES
- #Minutemen
http://www.britishbattles.com/tim-reese/american-revolution/minutemen.jpg

- #Revolutionary
http://www.ecomodelismo.com/soldado-revolucionario-americano-de-infa-Ref-ANDR-SGF128.html
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 09, 2011 5:06 pm    Post subject:

I couldn't find anything besides the Polish home army (which fought in WWII lol ) so I got an idea. The partyzant should be the Polish militia.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 3:25 pm    Post subject:

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 3:44 pm    Post subject:

Okay I came up with a few ideas with the partyzant, there could be about 3 techs for them. One is the standard minutemen quick spawn but lose HP tech (Do broni!) The next would be like town watch and it would spawn a group of partyzanti (Policja) to defend your town. They lose HP if they walk out of the TC's LOS and they spawn slower then the minutemen partyzanti. The final would be a guerrilla force (Cleverly named, Partyzant lol ) They would be like the orignal unit, except they can plant bombs (no mines) have a ten build limit and can not be in the TC's LOS, so they cannot defend your town.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 3:57 pm    Post subject:

I think the basic concept of acquiring the units should be the same, although I must say I like dude's idea of them losing HP only if leaving a zone around the TC. That would make them more credible and useful in their role of town-defenders, yet render them worthless for attack. I have no idea how troublesome that is to make, though, and I wouldn't call the whole minute-man thing a topmost priority. But I like the idea.

Also, I think the technology should recharge after use, so that you can use it again after some time, maybe 2 mins. The card that grants you an extra purchase of a larger force of minutemen should be changed to either a faster regeneration of the "muster-minutemen-button", or add on to the number of units you get when you press it.

As for a name for the Swedish unit, I bring forth "Lantvärn". (See any similarity with "Landwher"? Razz )
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 4:46 pm    Post subject:

SAOL wrote:
I think the basic concept of acquiring the units should be the same, although I must say I like dude's idea of them losing HP only if leaving a zone around the TC. That would make them more credible and useful in their role of town-defenders, yet render them worthless for attack. I have no idea how troublesome that is to make, though, and I wouldn't call the whole minute-man thing a topmost priority. But I like the idea.

I fully agree. It was also planned that the stat differences are of minimal extent. Colos + Minutemen are still two different units. They shall only share their "home/citizen made" character.

The TC range thing is a cool idea! However, the only thing about these radial things are either healing auras or build limitations (for buildings). So the only thing I could imagine is an aura that gives "additional" HP + damage while the combination of basic and additional stats generates the normal value. Also: Afaik the aura becomes weaker with every further step away from the origin.

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Also, I think the technology should recharge after use, so that you can use it again after some time, maybe 2 mins. The card that grants you an extra purchase of a larger force of minutemen should be changed to either a faster regeneration of the "muster-minutemen-button", or add on to the number of units you get when you press it.

Yes, we could make them recharge. Calling Home guards will be very similar to calling minutemen, however, you can do that more often and the unit itself is different.

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As for a name for the Swedish unit, I bring forth "Lantvärn". (See any similarity with "Landwher"? Razz )

Swedish militia. I only remember these screens:


Milis


Borgerskapsinfanteri

Just don't know what the real difference is and if they should serve as colo or minutemen replacement.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 16, 2011 4:59 pm    Post subject:

I just realized the Polizh militia bear a shocking resemblance to the partzant in NE.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 17, 2011 7:36 pm    Post subject:

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The TC range thing is a cool idea! However, the only thing about these radial things are either healing auras or build limitations (for buildings). So the only thing I could imagine is an aura that gives "additional" HP + damage while the combination of basic and additional stats generates the normal value. Also: Afaik the aura becomes weaker with every further step away from the origin.
I have no idea to of how the systems work, all I know is that I'd like it ^^

If a healing aura is the only thing that's possible, can you make it so that it only affects minutemen-type units? Because in that case you could perhaps make the aura heal at the same pace as they loose hit points, meaning their HP is constant when they are close to the TC, but decrease if they run off. Something tells me that a healing aura would heal everything though.

Are you sure that it decreases in strenght? I've never thought about healing auras, but it seems as though auras that effect attack and HP gives the same effect over the entire area.

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Swedish militia. I only remember these screens:
I don't know much about the looks and uniforms of the home guard to be honest. I have a sneaking suspicion that it was a bit of take-what-you've-got rag-tag code, but I'm not sure.

As for the names you mention here... personally I think 'milis' have too much of a paramilitary fling to it, and I've never actually heard any unit being called that. 'Borgerskapsinfanteri'... doesn't seem right either. For once, it's not a division a lot of people have heard about, and furthermore the 'colonies' in AoE are a bit punish to live up to the name.

I'd say the latter was more professional, but in practice they are both part of the home guard.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 1:08 pm    Post subject:

I would like to suggest Nizam-i-Cedids for the Turks and Carbonari for Italians. When I have a bit more time, I will post more infos here
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 1:35 pm    Post subject:

We might include the Nizam in another way, but it could work as colo militia.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:09 pm    Post subject:

Oh please don't say colonial.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 2:32 pm    Post subject:

I think that this type of adjustment would allow the game to make more sense. I mean, not every country has had minutemen, and it would be interesting to add variation to the spawnable defenders.

The fact put forth that their health should only drop if they are outside of the TC range is a excellent adjustment, but I am not so sure that they should all have different stats. Perhaps simple tweaks would be more acceptable.

And I like that dude from neverlands idea of the guerilla force, but perhaps these units should only be available after a Revolution? I mean, that would make more sense.

We still are using Revolutions in the mod, correct?
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 3:31 pm    Post subject:

lanse5 wrote:
I think that this type of adjustment would allow the game to make more sense. I mean, not every country has had minutemen, and it would be interesting to add variation to the spawnable defenders.

That's the reason Smile

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The fact put forth that their health should only drop if they are outside of the TC range is a excellent adjustment, but I am not so sure that they should all have different stats. Perhaps simple tweaks would be more acceptable.

Exactly, that's what I meant with "slightly different".

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And I like that dude from neverlands idea of the guerilla force, but perhaps these units should only be available after a Revolution? I mean, that would make more sense.

We still are using Revolutions in the mod, correct?

Yes. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 18, 2011 11:14 pm    Post subject:

Well, as I already said on the other thread:

Miquelets or Micalets were irregular Catalonian and Valencian militia. The name is a diminutive of Michael; it is claimed it comes from Miguel or Miquelot de Prats, a Catalonian mercenary captain in the service of Cesare Borgia. The term was used for many unconnected groups of Catalonians who took up arms in many wars, as well as in banditry; the term was generic rather than referring to a specific militia. The two most notable usages were during the Catalan secessionist revolt of 1640 against the Spanish government and the Peninsular War against Napoleonic France.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 19, 2011 12:34 am    Post subject:

I would like to present two options for two different Nations:

1. Austrian Irregular (Pandur)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandurs

The Pandurs were Croatian Austrian frontier soldiers. In 1740. Austria found itself in the War of the Austrian Succession against the King Frederick II of Prussia. The war eventually embroiled most of Europe, and Queen Maria Theresa needed the help supplied by Baron Trenk, who offered to equip 1000 soldiers to engage in war for the queen.

The clothing of the pandurs was very similar to the Turkish military uniform. Turkish influence on the culture of the region was heavy, since the Turks had been driven out of Slavonia only 30 years before.

2. Italian Irregular (Bande or Band)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bands_(Italian_Army_irregulars)

Bande (Italian for "Bands") was in Italian military terminology the name used to designate irregular forces, composed normally of foreigners or colonial natives, with some Italian officers and NCOs in command.

A "Banda" (singular) was approximatively a company size unit. The larger unit was the battalion size "Gruppo Bande" (infantry) or "Gruppo Squadroni" (cavalry). The "Milizia" a regimental unit appeared briefly during the fascist period in the Balkans.

You can get pictures for both of these options at their respective links. Topmodel
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 20, 2011 4:06 pm    Post subject:

I'd like to see that. A more detailed mod will appear.
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