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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 3:32 pm    Post subject: Forum Rules Discussion

Hey folks, user "Pepp" sent me a PM with a couple of suggestions for forum rules. Even though we have written (yes) and lots of unwritten rules, I thought it might be good to give a few answers to everyone. That's why I post it in here and not covered as PM to Pepp.

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Mr. Tilanus , do you think that we need a RULES page in this forum or at least in the off-topics? I have not find any rules page in this forum Mr. Green

That's only half correct. Forum rules are explained »here«. You can find that page in the bottom line of the menu located at the top of the page. The site is called "FAQ" and mostly confused with a FAQ about the mod.

The truth is: No one reads it. Or to be more clear: None of the people that could learn something from that, will ever read it. The good people who know how to behave on a forum don't need to read it, right? So .. who will read it? ^^

There are no rules in that forum that have been written by any of the moderators or admins, however, you're logically responsible for everything that you do and write.

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1. No spamming, everything that have a connection or have not any connection to the topics must be in a spoiler.

Users should ideally spam nowhere, however, that's impossible to achieve. That's why the Off-topic forum was introduced into many forums to absorb spam from the main forums.

Inside the offtopic forum you will always find some kind of spam threads (Off2, Association thread, ...) and serious discussions (threads about religion, politics, etc.).
Controlling the first type of threads is hardly necessary or possible. The second type of thread is getting controlled every time a moderator or admin enters, however, it's not as bad in effect to turn a lil offtopic inside these threads as in an official thread that is located in one of the main forums.

Declaring something as off-topic: Ideally people would see they're going to be off the topic, in that case this person could indeed put it into a spoiler or declare it in any other way as off-topic.

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2. No attacking, swearing, any bad words, or pornographic and porno action.

Ah cmon! Don't spoil the party! Devil

Solid characters can take that. If you're not solid, you should blame yourself and not others. ^^

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3. No double post.

Would be good. Some people just have a talent to not see the edit button. *looking at some specialists* Devil

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4. Do not send spam message.

If you're talking about private messages, I'm with you. I hate to be spammed with PMs and I'll kill everybody who ignores my warning.

Users who are posting generated advert messages that mostly lead to malware infected sites will get banned instantly.

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5. Do not speak something that was really secret thing in the forum.

Which secrets? We have secrets in this forum? Topmodel

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6. Do not try to fight against MODERATOR.

Well, in most cases you'll lose anyway. But worse than fighting a moderator is fighting an ADMINISTRATOR. He has the ultimate god power. Devil

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7. Do not make someone angry, at least angry.

Hδ? Not angry, but at least angry? Confused

Whatever, you are allowed to do that here! However, YOU will feel the consequences, the FULL consequences in case that you fail.

I want that users have the freedom to be as authentic and individual as possible. I'm not going to forbid swearing in general, because it allows people to talk about something in all kinds of shapes and levels, which can have a releasing/cathartic effect, which is then again better than holding your anger back. Let's talk with and about your anger, let's be fair and not limit everyone.

Back to failing and punishment: There are different types of these. If you're blindly attacking/offending people without any understandable reason (and we understand a lot), you might even get punished by a mod or admin, but in most cases get a warning first.

However, if there is a (good) reason for your anger, we will in every case have an eye on it, but let it go. Sometimes it is punishment enough for person to have lost in a debate (even though fewest ppl admit it, you can see it). It's not the problem of the moderators or the administrators if some others are not in peace with each other, it's their problem. However, it becomes our business if it's disturbing or even destroying topics. In that case both can be punished. Therefore a sane mind is the best mechanism on this forum.

You can beat the shit out of someone, if you know your personal limit. You should know the peak, that both, your anger but also your responsibility can reach. Be certain that people will prove you on that.

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8. Do not change quotation. Quote what did someone wrote, do not add or remove anything.

Sure, that's a question of credibility and thus a character trait. However, you can leave out parts of the quote by writing [...]

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9. If there is someone wrote something and you want to say it to anybody else, use quote or at least like this.

Not really sure what you meant here, but of course, you should refer to the author if you use his words and mot try to sell them as a self-made product.

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10. Do not fight with somebody in the forum, do it via p.m. Mr. Green

Check the anger part again. But yes, in case a fight becomes too disturbing, you can alternatively continue fighting via PM. Even though you could also use instant messengers, emails or write old-fashioned hate letters...

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11. Do not advertise something, that was not free, not freeware, not shareware, not free thread, not free web, not free information.

Well, why not? I can recommend a book to someone, can't I? Also, everyone is responsible for himself/herself. Personally I do not care how people get their stuff as long as they don't use this forum to spread illegal methods to gain them.

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12. Do not advertise porn thing, or something who attacked another Religiion/Faith/Ideology (Catholic, Christian, Liberal), attacked another tribe/race/nation (Javanese, Malay, Indonesia), attacked another user or attacked another group.

I'm sorry, this is a public place and not a place to build up protection walls so that people can hide. If you do not wish to be confronted with criticism, then don't open the threads that might offend you. No one forces you to open and read it. If you want a place to hide, then you might better disconnect from everything? ^^

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13. Do not open two same thread.

Wise commandment. We'll never get rid of these specialists though .. Mr. Green

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14. Open a new thread in the right place, alike idea for TAA in the TAA thread, for something silly in the off-topic.

Yes. I'd be even happier about people using the search engine first. It's here guys: http://www.ne.elpea.net/forum/search.php

First looking for a similar thread than creating a new one is always the better decision. If you fail, I'll blame you for that.

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15. Do not overflood a forum page with your question, (1 question 1 thread) ask your question on a proper place, alike....

Yipp, that counts in into the previous.

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16. If you have something to ask but it was a secret (not porn of course), send via e-mail or at least p.m.

Recommendable. Can save your skin. ^^

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17. Do not use too much smilies, it is counted as SPAM.

YES! Even more, it's seen as expression of IMMATURITY.

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18. If you are warned, do not fight or do the same thing twice.

Right. Exception: You got a better argument.

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19. Do not attack a noobie, they did not know the rules.

Nope. Ignorance is no excuse.

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20. Say welcome to the noobies Devil

Hm. That always depends on how the noob acts. Devil

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21. If you are banned for a moment, accept it and back to the forum as a HOLY person.

Uhm, no. I'd rather say you're on "special watch".

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22. If you are permanent banned, GOOD BYE lol .

Right. You get instantly and permanently banned for malware adverts, similar bot shit, extremely rude and baseless offenses, etc.

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23. Do not open a new topic to attacking, do a cyber Sex? , converting someone to your believe (ideology, politic, live way, religion, faith, etc), or to advertise something that porn, not free, or attacking.

I agree. Even though we haven't really discussed the porn thing yet. Devil But I wouldn't tolerate too much details or links.

However, "converting" is a foggy term. You can get converted or convinced in a debate without having an opponent who primarily wanted to convert you, but maybe just wanted to make his point clear. However, even if this is someone's approach, this is nothing I'd punish. In case the "converter" can not convince, he got his punishment that way. In case he can convert and thus convince people, he was just good enough and the converted ones not as good as him. So, let's be fair and the better arguments win.

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24. Do not claim something that you did not made as yours.

We already had that before. Wink

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25. Do not sell something there, this is not an auction.

Right, you should do that outside the forum.

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26. Do not open a new thread about mod if you have nothing to present.

Hm, depends. We have some "prevention" threads for that, but you are allowed to write concepts, however, you HAVE TO MAKE CLEAR in the title and thread, that this is only a concept (like "[Concept] concept title..").

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27. If you have an idea, say it to the suggestion.

Yes, this fits to what you already said about posting in the "right place".

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28. Do not use a porn avatar or something about attacking religion/ideology/etc.

Discussable. I'd say that depends on the case, but I'm with you about hard pornographic content.

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29. Do not make a problem.

No, I'd just say "Don't overreact". "Problem" in itself is not necessarily a bad thing, cause it's also subjective what is seen as problem and what not.

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30. Do not do something that you think is not good or that you think it is bad.

As said in the beginning: You're responsible for your deeds.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 6:32 pm    Post subject:

I've always known we had a search engine, I just didn't know how to find it. lol
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 7:29 pm    Post subject:

It took you two years to find the search tab at the top of the page? Confused

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28. Do not use a porn avatar or something about attacking religion/ideology/etc.
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Discussable. I'd say that depends on the case, but I'm with you about hard pornographic content.
You realise your own avatar is borderline in that case Devil

When I signed up here I remember that I had to read this:
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While the administrators and moderators of this forum will attempt to remove or edit any generally objectionable material as quickly as possible, it is impossible to review every message. Therefore you acknowledge that all posts made to these forums express the views and opinions of the author and not the administrators, moderators or webmaster (except for posts by these people) and hence will not be held liable.

You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-oriented or any other material that may violate any applicable laws. Doing so may lead to you being immediately and permanently banned (and your service provider being informed). The IP address of all posts is recorded to aid in enforcing these conditions. You agree that the webmaster, administrator and moderators of this forum have the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic at any time should they see fit. As a user you agree to any information you have entered above being stored in a database. While this information will not be disclosed to any third party without your consent the webmaster, administrator and moderators cannot be held responsible for any hacking attempt that may lead to the data being compromised.
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By clicking Register below you agree to be bound by these conditions.

How hard is that to remember?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 8:08 pm    Post subject:

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28. Do not use a porn avatar or something about attacking religion/ideology/etc.
Discussable. I'd say that depends on the case, but I'm with you about hard pornographic content.
You realise your own avatar is borderline in that case Devil

Mine?? PORNOGRAPHIC?? Topmodel I just have my mouth ope... NO, wait! - SAOL, are you gay or just being disgusting? lol Devil

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When I signed up here I remember that I had to read this

You're sick! Not even I remember this hahaha.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 9:19 pm    Post subject:

I didn't even knew it existed! lol
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 9:41 pm    Post subject:

mhhh, loose rules Smile

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Discussable. I'd say that depends on the case, but I'm with you about hard pornographic content.
DAMN! well I'm to lazy to change my avatar anyway ^^

what about talk about software Piracy etc. ? people can get in serious trouble because of that.
personally I'd also condemn Racism but eventho more precarious in real life it does not seem to get much attention on the internet.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 21, 2011 10:51 pm    Post subject:

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Mine?? PORNOGRAPHIC?? Oo I just have my mouth ope... NO, wait! - SAOL, are you gay or just being disgusting? lol Devil
I'm just being disgusting Devil Perhaps the wrong thread indeed, but I thought it so funny I couldn't resist.

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You're sick! Not even I remember this hahaha.
Well, since I am the grandfather of a judge it might be so that I have inherited a certain fascination for laws and rules. Razz

But really, don't you people read license agreements and such? Confused

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personally I'd also condemn Racism but eventho more precarious in real life it does not seem to get much attention on the internet.
To me it is obvious that statements that are unlawful by law also is unlawful 'on the internet'. Since hate speech is unlawful under most of the world's jurisdictions, although the definition varies, it seems clear that it is here too.

The nature of this forum, which in general is a rather familiar one because of the relatively low number of regular posters, does on the other hand mean things that normally wouldn't be regarded as acceptable to utter can be said by some people to other known individuals in a joking tone without much risk. But even though the target of such statements do not take offence, because he is familiar with the sender to such an extent he understands it is not meant seriously, passer-byers may. After all, one must not forget that this is all public, despite its apparent obscurity. So the question may in many cases be where you draw the line for such high spirits out of respect for others.

I feel that was an unnecessarily long and complicated elaboration.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 12:30 am    Post subject:

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You're sick! Not even I remember this hahaha.
Well, since I am the grandfather of a judge it might be so that I have inherited a certain fascination for laws and rules. Razz

Your a grandfather? Razz
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 4:39 am    Post subject:

oh yes, do not say about piracy, or at least (sorry) cr*ck.

one times do it, First Warning.

two times do it, Second Warning

three times do it, Temporary Ban (1-4 weeks)

four times do it, Temporary Ban (1-5 months)

five times do it, he/she was too stupid, Permanent Ban

But, how if the moderator or the administrator itself who did it?
Answer: nope, they made it and they will not do it, wherever, they are the god and goddess Mr. Green
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 7:25 am    Post subject:

I'm pretty sure those rules are exactly why I hang around this place; I can actually speak my mind how I damn-well please. Cool

Those are some solid guidelines there, T.; don't change a thing! That whole spiel of yours details nothing more than common sense, so long as people have some kind of backbone.

I agree, though, that racism has very little place on this - or any - site. That said, I'm horribly well-known to crack racist jokes with my friends; so long as they're funny, I couldn't care less who I 'insult.' I've laughed at horribly offensive ribs at Asians, abbos, whites, latinos, blacks (note; I am white, so my own 'people' are certainly not spared from my humour) and among my particular crowd, we know there's no harm intended. Here, though, I know well enough to keep a lid on that sort of thing; as familiar as we are with our little online family, sarcasm nonetheless doesn't translate well through text.

Besides, making honestly snide comments about someone else's minutely different gene pool just makes you look stupid. Razz
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 8:12 am    Post subject:

the dude from neverland wrote:
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You're sick! Not even I remember this hahaha.
Well, since I am the grandfather of a judge it might be so that I have inherited a certain fascination for laws and rules. Razz

Your a grandfather? Razz
Of course not, I meant to say grandson.

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But, how if the moderator or the administrator itself who did it?
Answer: nope, they made it and they will not do it, wherever, they are the god and goddess
Heh, it is good you have such faith lol
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:39 am    Post subject:

So, what will happen to this rules I suggest??

Will stay here as a suggestion or became real rules?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 24, 2011 10:43 am    Post subject:

Your question tells me you didn't read carefully. Read again.
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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 4:45 am    Post subject:

Hey, you closed a thread about game some days ago.

I don't care about it, but is it meant that we may not open any thread alike that (TNP class), or also a mini games class?
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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 11:54 am    Post subject:

he closed it because there already are plenty of pointless forum games. not because it broke any Laws afterall this is not ONLY an Offtopic forum even If one may think so sometimes.
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PostPosted: Thu May 26, 2011 12:02 pm    Post subject:

The game should be reopened. It was the simply the best of all the games. Peugeot407 opened it too at K&B, because he thought it was so brilliant, and it is! Because everything is attached to each other.
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