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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 3:06 pm    Post subject:

So the Jingal musketman could be a ``sharpshoter ``type unit. But it is better on the dabar righ?
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 4:05 pm    Post subject:

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So the Jingal musketman could be a ``sharpshoter ``type unit. But it is better on the dabar righ?

exams exams..................... ufff
that look good
artillery matter yes i also try to figured out which one more used
but that is clear they could added 1 brass field canon {because good number used its became jangi toph } 2unique mortar howitzer mix {because it is cool looking and used in battle} Mr. Green
jambur brass mortar other heavy toph
we need to think about this. Topmodel
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may be that was brass field cannon.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 4:21 pm    Post subject:

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The last Austriahungarian wrote:
So the Jingal musketman could be a ``sharpshoter ``type unit. But it is better on the dabar righ?

exams exams..................... ufff
that look good
artillery matter yes i also try to figured out which one more used
but that is clear they could added 1 brass field canon {because good number used its became jangi toph } 2unique mortar howitzer mix {because it is cool looking and used in battle} Mr. Green
jambur brass mortar other heavy toph
we need to think about this. Topmodel


I mean Maratha use a ot of artilery because it used from all over india. Is not like US which was mostly isolated from great international centers.

Just remembering we have:
-brass mortars

-muharo hotwizer

-Zamburack

-Brass canons (is a standard canon right?)

-Jambur > a type of maratha field gun in artillery -specific 18thcentury maratha dispatches jamburs were associated with the use of grape shot

2jangi toph > intermediate guns (?)

toph thorli >great guns as described in maratha documents
- taken to mean large calibar long range field guns as well as siege guns

Did i missed something? -.-
Also we can always use of archaic artilerys, like that were used at the start of the timeline and trow away with the 18 century.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 5:09 pm    Post subject:

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I mean Maratha use a ot of artilery because it used from all over india. Is not like US which was mostly isolated from great international centers.

Just remembering we have:
-brass mortars
yes

-muharo hotwizer
yes Mr. Green

-Zamburack
Hmm

-Brass canons (is a standard canon right?)

yes

-Jambur > a type of maratha field gun in artillery -specific 18thcentury maratha dispatches jamburs were associated with the use of grape shot
hmm

2jangi toph > intermediate guns (?)

look like... but i have doubt that may be brass cannon and jangi toph is same because jangi means war toph means cannon

toph thorli >great guns as described in maratha documents
- taken to mean large calibar long range field guns as well as siege guns
it kind a heavy field cannon

Did i missed something? -.-
Also we can always use of archaic artilerys, like that were used at the start of the timeline and trow away with the 18 century.

ahhh this is stupid! re distribution among ages because we have some new guns
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2016 5:54 pm    Post subject:

warpoint wrote:
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I mean Maratha use a ot of artilery because it used from all over india. Is not like US which was mostly isolated from great international centers.

Just remembering we have:
-brass mortars
yes

-muharo hotwizer
yes Mr. Green

-Zamburack
Hmm

-Brass canons (is a standard canon right?)

yes

-Jambur > a type of maratha field gun in artillery -specific 18thcentury maratha dispatches jamburs were associated with the use of grape shot
hmm

2jangi toph > intermediate guns (?)

look like... but i have doubt that may be brass cannon and jangi toph is same because jangi means war toph means cannon

toph thorli >great guns as described in maratha documents
- taken to mean large calibar long range field guns as well as siege guns
it kind a heavy field cannon

Did i missed something? -.-
Also we can always use of archaic artilerys, like that were used at the start of the timeline and trow away with the 18 century.

ahhh this is stupid! re distribution among ages because we have some new guns


werent zamburacks used by marathas? Or is this a more mughaul thing?

Jani toph: in that case i think we can risk them.

Toph thorli: It can be a a quarter canon them? Smile

just remembering this is somewhat how the ``tech tree`` will work. this can change tought.

http://www.ne.elpea.net/about/NE3db.html


So if we eliminate zamburack and jangi toph(waiting your guys response) we have 5 artilerys! I dont know if we can have 5 BUT remember guys:
-Marathas werent really pros with artilery at the start so early game they cant have really powerfull ones. Late game tought they get pretty good. And if is true that they actualy had better pieces compared to european versions then we can add that more hp damage artilery cards in later ages.

We already know that brass mortars are in dabar. AND COMPLETELY FORGOT TO ASK: DID MARATHAS USED ROCKETS?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 1:46 pm    Post subject:

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werent zamburacks used by marathas? Or is this a more mughaul thing?

Jani toph: in that case i think we can risk them.

Toph thorli: It can be a a quarter canon them? Smile

just remembering this is somewhat how the ``tech tree`` will work. this can change tought.

http://www.ne.elpea.net/about/NE3db.html

I SEE Wink


So if we eliminate zamburack and jangi toph(waiting your guys response) we have 5 artilerys! I dont know if we can have 5 BUT remember guys:
-Marathas werent really pros with artilery at the start so early game they cant have really powerfull ones. Late game tought they get pretty good. And if is true that they actualy had better pieces compared to european versions then we can add that more hp damage artilery cards in later ages.

We already know that brass mortars are in dabar. AND COMPLETELY FORGOT TO ASK: DID MARATHAS USED ROCKETS?


1> zambubark > goes to mughals
2> i also checked about jangi toph and iam agree to warpoint in indian sub
almost all kingdoms using this term "jangi toph" for field cannon
so add jangi toph or brass cannon both are same
i prefer native name but as suit
3> that's right maratha have good artillery in late period not early
4> rockets i don't think maratha had mE rockets however
that book
says that some hawdah elephants equipped with rockets also
but answer is NO MARATHA HAD NO ROCKETS
5> some artillery may be shift to home city then that long artillery list settle easily
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2016 2:31 pm    Post subject:

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warpoint wrote:
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werent zamburacks used by marathas? Or is this a more mughaul thing?

Jani toph: in that case i think we can risk them.

Toph thorli: It can be a a quarter canon them? Smile

just remembering this is somewhat how the ``tech tree`` will work. this can change tought.

http://www.ne.elpea.net/about/NE3db.html

I SEE Wink


So if we eliminate zamburack and jangi toph(waiting your guys response) we have 5 artilerys! I dont know if we can have 5 BUT remember guys:
-Marathas werent really pros with artilery at the start so early game they cant have really powerfull ones. Late game tought they get pretty good. And if is true that they actualy had better pieces compared to european versions then we can add that more hp damage artilery cards in later ages.

We already know that brass mortars are in dabar. AND COMPLETELY FORGOT TO ASK: DID MARATHAS USED ROCKETS?


1> zambubark > goes to mughals
2> i also checked about jangi toph and iam agree to warpoint in indian sub
almost all kingdoms using this term "jangi toph" for field cannon
so add jangi toph or brass cannon both are same
i prefer native name but as suit
3> that's right maratha have good artillery in late period not early
4> rockets i don't think maratha had mE rockets however
that book
says that some hawdah elephants equipped with rockets also
but answer is NO MARATHA HAD NO ROCKETS
5> some artillery may be shift to home city then that long artillery list settle easily
Mr. Green


So 5 artilery. Not only homecity we also have dabars:D

And have you seen the last Tilanus post? The Danish civ can choose between heavy canons and rockets, maybe we can do the same Smile

Also now that there is no zamburack...which canon can beused age1? It needs to be a light and anti infantry.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 8:09 am    Post subject:

[quote="The last Austriahungarian"][quote="Might is right"][quote="The last Austriahungarian"][quote="warpoint"][quote]

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So 5 artilery. Not only homecity we also have dabars:D

And have you seen the last Tilanus post? The Danish civ can choose between heavy canons and rockets, maybe we can do the same Smile

Also now that there is no zamburack...which canon can beused age1? It needs to be a light and anti infantry.


hey maratha had simple howitzers also so howitzers or field cannon {jangi toph} or mortars choosing one is difficult they had historical base howitzers - it is light artillery jangi toph {filed cannon} - it used widely but it is normal artillery not light mortars Arrow vs infantry ?
so howitzer have chance .
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:21 am    Post subject:

search ing any other option for maratha artillery for age1 well howitzers may be suit Confused
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 4:43 pm    Post subject:

So Firestorm asked us to divide the "India" civ in TAD, the bonuses and units: to which empires did they belonged to.

(help me out guys)

Sepoys, gurkas: european native armies, no place on decan factions.

Rajput: As far as i remember "rajputs" are a social group and not simply some (unarmored) cav kilers.

Mahout lancer: dont know about the name, but yeah marathas and Mughauls used elephants with lances.

Zamburack: it was a artilery unit not a light cav, and is more of a Mughaul thing.

Canon elephant: did this even existed?....

Urumi: yeah they used that awesome swords but i dont know with who they fought.

Elephant gunner: hunting , not military.

Flail elephant: indian states ( including marathas and mughaul) used eles to put gates down but there is little evidence to the flail.

Sowar: dont know.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 6:35 pm    Post subject:

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[quote="The last Austriahungarian"]So Firestorm asked us to divide the "India" civ in TAD, the bonuses and units: to which empires did they belonged to.

(help me out guys)
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Sepoys, gurkas: european native armies, no place on decan factions.

absolutely right gorkha never served mughals .
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Rajput: As far as i remember "rajputs" are a social group and not simply some (unarmored) cav kilers.
yes rajputs know as warrior cast they had very vast history countless books available on rajputs
yes rajputs are well armored anti infantry anti cav also. maharan pratap armor war gear weight was 100 kg even lowest rank solider had light Armour . . they also master of gurilla warfare
yes lowest rank troops not well protected like elite troops but .rajputs had almost all kind war gear .


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Mahout lancer: dont know about the name, but yeah marathas and Mughauls used elephants with lances.
thats fine
Zamburack: it was a artilery unit not a light cav, and is more of a Mughaul thing.
yes deadly for artillery shoot 2 pounder cannon ball
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Canon elephant: did this even existed?....
not cannon yes very light gun like zambubark but it was not siege weapon no single event appeared when they used vs forts in big battle
its seems showpiece or something but definitely it was not siege weapon it not carry cannon just a light gun .
Urumi: yeah they used that awesome swords but i dont know with who they fought.
maratha rajputs and hindu kingdoms used this basically urmi is name of weapon mughals don't had urmi
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Elephant gunner: hunting , not military.

no it was military unit but not only range cav they in same time they had melee attack gunners role was 2ndry gunners for maximize the elephant charge .
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Flail elephant: indian states ( including marathas and mughaul) used eles to put gates down but there is little evidence to the flail.

yes this reality that elephants was used to destroy gates
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Sowar: dont know.

camel riders exists in big number both maratha mughals had this but some research on "sowar" name needed i mean was mughal or maratha call the name "sowar" for camel rider .
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 11, 2016 8:27 pm    Post subject:

Thanks might is righty for correcting my post (i still have much to know about india Smile

Urumi is the weapon? Oh my bad i tought it was a people Razz anyway since mughauls didnt use them they could be a hc card from marathas them.

I dont think is right to make rajputs a "unit". We can have native rajputs or something else. Even lowest soldiers had armor? Well in that case i think "rajput" units will have more hp than average. Speaking about armor did people only used mail in India or dis they used plate, scale...other typea if armor?

Even tought elephant gunner existed it feels a little weird in gameplay to add thise guns, ( maybe a card alowa elephants to have one of these). I need to speak with Tilanus if it would look good in gameplay.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 8:58 am    Post subject:

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"The last Austriahungarian"]Thanks might is righty for correcting my post (i still have much to know about india Smile

most welcome .
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Urumi is the weapon? Oh my bad i tought it was a people Razz anyway since mughauls didnt use them they could be a hc card from marathas them

hmm that is right but that is also fact that maratha use urmi weapon lot but its need much training and practice .
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I dont think is right to make rajputs a "unit". We can have native rajputs or something else. Even lowest soldiers had armor? Well in that case i think "rajput" units will have more hp than average. Speaking about armor did people only used mail in India or dis they used plate, scale...other typea if armor?

1->rajputs as native suite but if you read maratha dynasties family tree than you easily find that maratha is mixture of native maratha and rajputs
remember sincindhia holkares both was mixture of rajputs blood and maratha blood and maratha rulers also appointed many rajputs but that is also fact that maratha invaded rajputs kingdom also and many rajputs kingdom not helped maratha in crucial time {panipat }
so i suggest that "rajputs" also became hc card like in this mod "sepoy" became card for europeans faction
no doubt rajputs also a native .
2Arrow well elite troops well protected {obliviously it had good hp }
elite troops Armour was mixture of chainmail plate
one unique type of rajputs armour known as
chilta hazar masha (Coat of a thousand nails), kulah khud (helmet), bazu band (arm guards).

Mr. Green my icon also belong to rajput king rana pratap


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Even tought elephant gunner existed it feels a little weird in gameplay to add thise guns, ( maybe a card alowa elephants to have one of these). I need to speak with Tilanus if it would look good in gameplay

that is weird but truth
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 12, 2016 12:05 pm    Post subject:

ufffff sorry exams make me too busy tomorrow another exam waiting for me Sad
well aoe3asian dynaties added a home city card "TEAM Shivaji's Tactics"
effect Arrow All units get +5% Hit Points and Damage this card card 100% belong to maratha .
current zambubark varity is this

artillery zambuark varity is this


Emperor Humayun introduced several varieties of Zamburak for use in the Mughal Empire. Smile
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