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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2016 5:58 pm    Post subject: afghanistan thread

The region today know as afghanistan has always been a quite disputed and important one during the early modern period in central asia. Great dynasties (cof mughauls cof) came from that especific region, but also the local warriors fought in many armies during the 16 and 17 century.

In many ways they are like the italians, swiss and germans that were all related people that used to fight in many armies and didn`t had a unified nation state untill the 19 centu....but afgans did Mr. Green . In the early 18 century, answering persia domination the native united (making afghanistan country in 1709) and managed to crush the 30.000 strong sent by the iranian armies, and even to later conquer it in 1722. The thing is that trought the 18century this brave people crushed many fearsome armys, were a apin in the ass for nader shah (were leaded by nader shah old general Ahmad Shah Durrani) like the maratha (panipat ), the otomans and even fought the qing dynastie (actually they wanted but they just decided to send embassadors, the qing didnt want to fight them anyway fearing a muslin reaction). They should be represented on this mod!

Disclaimer: I am not telling that an afghanistan civ should be added, I used to think that they would never fit HOWEVER after reading a little more and reading about the swiss and italians civs I think it`s pretty possible (not 100%, depends on tilanus) due to their influence in the same way as the others mentioned (and they also had a unified nation, things that swiss and italians didnt).

Militar wise they were know for:

1-Their skirmishers and sharpshooters! Using the Jezail muskets and other incredible accurate weapons compared to European ones (looking like american rifles) this long beautys were used to precisely snipe enemies that tried to invade their land.
link:(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jezail)

jeazail image:
http://www.deactivated-guns.co.uk/images/uploads/matchlock/matchlock-040964_7.jpg

more jeazail
http://c0728562.cdn.cloudfiles.rackspacecloud.com/MI15456_HR.JPG

2-They also were know by their intelligent (and massive)use of the fast zamburack artillery! Granting them victories against slower artillery armies.

3-Their fast and experienced cavalry.

cavalry elite!
http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00routesdata/1800_1899/northwest/firstafghanwar/rattray01.jpg

some photos!

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/62/Mir_Alam_of_Kohistan_region_in_Afghanistan.jpg/170px-Mir_Alam_of_Kohistan_region_in_Afghanistan.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2650/4053762302_f69b0694f4.jpg

http://www.columbia.edu/itc/mealac/pritchett/00routesdata/1800_1899/northwest/firstafghanwar/rattray14.jpg

http://www.art-prints-on-demand.com/kunst/jules_joseph_augustin_laurens/study_afghan_warrior_tehran_1_hi.jpg

http://www.collectiblefirearms.com/New%20Pictures%207/arf_0051x.jpg
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 2:04 am    Post subject:

I think i read somewhere afgans where being added as natives....
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 5:02 am    Post subject:

IMO, Afghanistan is a better civ choice rather than Maratha
IMO, The Afghans/Afghanistan is even better as a native
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 11:02 am    Post subject:

Zooasaurus wrote:
IMO, Afghanistan is a better civ choice rather than Maratha
IMO, The fghans/Afghanistan is even better as a native


lol hahhaha they may actually be more influential against and in favor of many civs in the game Smile but about maratha is still being discussed my friend Mr. Green
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 5:15 pm    Post subject:

Afghans actually suffer identity crises which afgans ? not suit as civ and not as a native ........probably not

1 which afgans need to address sher sha afgan empire who declined after sher sha death wipe out by moughal , 2nd afgan revival by hemu wipe out by mughals

2 durrani empire after abadali death declined rapidly due 2nd revival of maratha {led by mahadji } and internal tribal conflict

3 rohila kingdom Arrow captured by maratha and not fit in timeline

4 ouadh Arrow not fit in timeline


5 afghan emirat tooo far from timeline

6 mughal already had afghans army mughals means = mogols +irani + turk +turani +uzbeg + afgans .....etc

7 persia or iranian empire time to time captured afgans lands {not
india}
8bahamani empire Arrow doomed disintegrate in many kingdoms captured by mughals and late16th by maratha

9 hydrabad Arrow far from timeline and this kingdom not actually full afgans

so maratha have very strong points as civ rather than separate afghans kigdoms

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 5:36 pm    Post subject:

I sad there was a possibility, most probably just a native....i was thinking on focusing on durrani empire but its looks harder than i tought lol
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 6:37 pm    Post subject:

Well, before trying to implement new things, the NE Team is improving the already existing ones.

Afghanistan is a cool region with great history though.

"May God keep you away from the venom of the cobra, the teeth of the tiger, and the revenge of the Afghans" bloody



But I think that only when all the European stuff is finished, more asian content (besides improving India) will be added.

Australian things, for example, in my perspective, are a must.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2016 8:04 pm    Post subject:

I know that my pprtuguese comrade Wink

Also what in australia is important i am curious:D
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 15, 2016 6:56 pm    Post subject:

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I know that my pprtuguese comrade

I'm curious too... The last of the Austro-hungarians living in Brasil and speaking portuguese (I mean, you didn't speak portuguese yet, I just assume you know the language).
A totally converted austrian I supose Hammer



Serious stuff now (kind of) lol

Australia. Great now-days nation, but, back then, it wasn't a veeery important region.

Discoveried (by the Portuguese in 1522 Devil ) by the Dutch in 1606 and effectively colonised by the English in mid-end XVIII century, Australia is a vast land that has no representation in AoE III, even though it was colonisied, together with the surrounding regions. It's a land with a great variety of resources and unique features.

Having this under advisement, Australia would be a cool add to the mod.


But, Back To Topic!

Afghanistan is indeed a cool region. Good idea you had. Having some kind of representation in the game will be great. But, before that, as I said and we all know, many things will happen . Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 2:35 am    Post subject:

The Navigator Prince wrote:

Australia would be a cool add to the mod.

Yes, As a map
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:25 am    Post subject:

Zooasaurus wrote:
The Navigator Prince wrote:

Australia would be a cool add to the mod.

Yes, As a map


Don't worry this is not wol lol
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PostPosted: Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:48 am    Post subject:

As a map, yes. I mean, is the only reasonably way.


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PostPosted: Wed Aug 17, 2016 9:45 pm    Post subject:

Hum now that i think as far as durani empire was blody strong afgans should probably not be a civ. However they would do great as a revolution civ for persia or mughauls!Smile
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 18, 2016 11:14 am    Post subject:

Afghans as a civ would be extremelly improbable. It is as a native I think they would reveal all their true potential.

Go and hide... If afghan blades and rifles join my ranks you will stand no chance...


Oh yeah, more Eastern flavour to the mod. Banana!



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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 8:18 pm    Post subject:

Afghans are planned as natives and Afghanistan is planned as a map (just like Australia), my friends. But I was considering an Afghan revolution for Persians, too. Mr. Green
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:21 pm    Post subject:

ehm... Tilanus the Afghan Revolution doesn't make sense.. it happened 1979. Or are you talking about another one hundreds of years ago?
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