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How did you find out about NE?
Wikipedia
23%
 23%  [ 34 ]
You Tube
12%
 12%  [ 18 ]
ModDB
8%
 8%  [ 13 ]
Heaven Games
31%
 31%  [ 45 ]
Other
14%
 14%  [ 21 ]
Can't remember
8%
 8%  [ 13 ]
Facebook
0%
 0%  [ 1 ]
Twitter
0%
 0%  [ 0 ]
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 15, 2011 2:10 pm    Post subject:

Thehehe, I edited a lil more than the polls. Devil
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PostPosted: Sun Oct 16, 2011 3:25 am    Post subject:

Gunther wrote:
If you need any help with YouTube or filming, I have a registered HD version of FRAPS we could use. Napoleon


That could work very nicely.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 9:05 pm    Post subject:

The Wikipedia article will be deleted in 7 days unless we can prove notability.

To prove notability we need a third-party article about NE. Has anyone seen anything? If so, please post that source.
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:22 pm    Post subject:

Didn't Gamespy do some article about NE in 07' or something?

Edit: What about the Twitter and Facebook accounts would they work as sources?
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PostPosted: Tue Nov 29, 2011 10:35 pm    Post subject:

Not that I know of. I think you're referring to the picture of the day, which isn't good enough.

On an unrelated note I was thinking about outreach today. I noticed the current version had more than 25 500 downloads from modDB, and more than 30 today alone. That's impressive. I don't know how many times it has been downloaded from other sites, but I have a gut feeling modDB isn't the biggest 'supplier'.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 12:06 am    Post subject:

It's just a guess. But I'd say all NE in total have been downloaded at least 300.000 times. Thinking about all the tiny mini version in the beginning, being popular in the German Age scene, having the exe files hosted on many different sites.

I remember even the TAA Alpha reaching ~10.000 downloads in total. Afaik it's been hosted at 4 different sources and I got to know the last two quite late. That uncontrolable respreading of files is impressive. So I guess 300.000 for NE is even modest. Really, too bad we don't have any exact numbers.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:34 am    Post subject:

I wonder if we cross reference it'd work (Cross reference as in Wotta making a NE article and vice versa on their portals (yes, WotTA will have a portal, someday...))
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 9:52 am    Post subject:

Okay, I'm really really pissed off. I don't care, if these wikipedians are right with every point (and I don't fuckin care if they read what I write here). After all the deletion of the article doesn't feel right for me. The sources of the article may not be not enough/not the best/whatever, but I expected a lil more help.

So, the wikipedia article will be deleted and we have to reconsider either doing a new one or just leaving it. I backed up the article, so fuck it.

Argh. -
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 1:12 pm    Post subject:

Cross referencing sounds like a good Idea, If KnB jumps in we'd be 3 Mr. Green
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 5:46 pm    Post subject:

The problem, as I take it, is not so much the quality of the sources we had, but rather that of notability. We are (or, you are, I should say - I'm just a fanboy lol ) not famous enough. I spent nearly two hours googling yesterday - I didn't find anything that really fulfils the notability demands. Hand on heart I knew that all along.

Cross-referencing with Wotta or KnB will most likely not work, at least it wouldn't withstand scrutiny, because only a fool would say that they are sufficiently independent or reliable. It'd be an obvious set-up.

Lastly, if it is deleted I don't think we will be able to create a new one in a while. These people are roused and will most likely keep a watching eye over the subject. 4 times is the charm, they say.

Let's see it from the bright side: while it lasted it has surely caught the eye of many people, and judging by the poll in this thread very efficiently so.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:30 pm    Post subject:

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Okay, I'm really really pissed off. I don't care, if these wikipedians are right with every point (and I don't fuckin care if they read what I write here). After all the deletion of the article doesn't feel right for me. The sources of the article may not be not enough/not the best/whatever, but I expected a lil more help.

So, the wikipedia article will be deleted and we have to reconsider either doing a new one or just leaving it. I backed up the article, so fuck it.


Eh... what's wrong with the sources??? Isn't this site enough??? What???
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:32 pm    Post subject:

No, they also said it was the quality of the sources. I agree on the cross-references, that sounds so simple, it'd be pretty obvious. They're not stupid at all.

Just the effect the wikipedia had makes me wanna scream so bad on these people. I definitely wanna give it a second shot. I mean, the article was bloody outdated. It didn't say anything about the founding, the planned redesign or other developments at all. Just scratching the surface.

If anyone could simply sum up which sources would work as secondary and tertiary sources, I'd be thankful and have a look. I'm going to ask Kastor for achievements. I remember the mod being mentioned in a German games magazine once. I hope I'm not mistaken, cause I think that'd be a good secondary source. Apart from that, we could still try sending NE Classic to game magazines. That'd require a well-working built, but definitely be worth the effort.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 6:49 pm    Post subject:

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I remember the mod being mentioned in a German games magazine once.
If it could be located it'd definitely be valuable.

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No, they also said it was the quality of the sources.
With special regard to the notability criterion, more specifically number four. Each source must not fulfil the notability criteria once notability has been established. An (independently) published article would certainly count towards that, in which case it is a much lesser problem to refer here for basic information bits.

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If anyone could simply sum up which sources would work as secondary and tertiary sources, I'd be thankful and have a look.
There are no known ones, that's the problem. Well, possibly that Japanese page that's now gone, although it's problematic too because it's in Japanese - it could very well be regarded as too local.
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:43 pm    Post subject:

Isn't there a third party source on AoE Heaven? Nah, it's you who wrote it wasn't it?
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 30, 2011 7:49 pm    Post subject:

Harkimo wrote:
Isn't there a third party source on AoE Heaven? Nah, it's you who wrote it wasn't it?
Even if it weren't the type of publication does not meet the standards of the notability guidline hmmmhh
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 01, 2011 2:38 am    Post subject:

Our best bet is is to let it be deleted, and rewrite it when Tilanus could possibly get some more sources from game magazines. The info is outdated anyway.

I'm not sure about Cross Referencing NE with K&B though, we have a portal, but feed from it comes from our new section in the forum.
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