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Are the swiss your favourite civ?
Yes
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They were, but not anymore.
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Not Sure.
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No.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 5:08 pm    Post subject:

Ok, thanks for the information. I guess I what I was getting at was, since both units are powerful 2 population units with various improvements (cards, upgrades, etc.), which one is the most versatile?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 16, 2012 6:04 pm    Post subject:

The guard.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 03, 2012 11:57 pm    Post subject:

SAOL wrote:
The guard.


Swiss guards ?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 04, 2012 10:52 am    Post subject:

Obviously.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:26 am    Post subject:

you can do some very strong rush with the swiss. I used to play against friends who played the swiss, and rushing with them is prettey good.
Put all your foragers on food, i dont remember what age I cards the swiss have, but if they have foragers cards, take this. If not, take 300 food or some foragers upgrade card...
Then, in age II you send the pikeman card (8, am i right?) and do some crossbowmens, and then send all your army (foragers + pikeman+crossbowmens) and then you win^^
I did do this a long time ago, now i dont have NE on my pc anymore, so i'm not able to explain in details all the rush-strategy, but putting your foragers in your army to kill ennemies army is quiet good. For killing TC, pikeman is the best (TC have 2x against foragers...and foragers arent that good against TC so...
But FF with swiss are also good, but dont remember how it goes sry ;(


For the swiss guards, yep they re actually (in my opinion) the best swiss unit. Only problem is maybe the cost of it, but its quiet when you see 10 of them killing 25 musks lol
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 06, 2012 11:37 am    Post subject:

I think if swiss have more gunpowder military unit, it would be better and stronger. Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 6:28 am    Post subject:

That was kind of the point of Swiss, though (I'd guess), as nearly all civs are ranged-based as of now. But who knows what comes with the next release?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:31 am    Post subject:

Actually, the swiss could become too good...maybe some 3 pop skirm-unit like then?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:19 pm    Post subject:

caveman909 wrote:
Actually, the swiss could become too good...


Yeah, even though it sucks not having dedicated skirmishers (although followers are fantastic), dragoons, or horse cannons, I think that the Swiss would be way too powerful with them. I think they're a very balanced civ.

On a related note, does anyone have any strategies for the Swiss about dealing with skirmishers and artillery? Usually when I play, followers + culverins can take care of essentially everything, but my hand infantry always gets destroyed before it can even reach the opponents town to destroy it Mad
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 5:06 pm    Post subject:

I guess I'll first realize that in the redesign of NE and not in the next version: But the Swiss should be more of a mercenary, stealthy and less centralized civ as they were not really united (similar to Germans). The Swiss Guard will be called "Schweizerknecht" in the next release. For the redesign I plan to make them - like the Ottoman Sipahi - a shipment unit. The Reislδufer - which is now the "Langspiesser" - will become more important as part of the main force.
Whereas many civs will certainly loose the xbow, the Swiss will be one of the few civs who keeps them (and may be the only one). Generally I plan to give xbows more the role of skirms indeed.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 7:25 pm    Post subject:

You could use hussars, you know lol
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:27 pm    Post subject:

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Whereas many civs will certainly loose the xbow
you can't just keep it the way it is but disable them when you reach age 4? (for a more historically accurate unit)
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 8:34 pm    Post subject:

If the Crossbowmen will get replaced, what unit will fill its role?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 9:28 pm    Post subject:

checanos wrote:
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Whereas many civs will certainly loose the xbow
you can't just keep it the way it is but disable them when you reach age 4? (for a more historically accurate unit)

That would be technically possible, however, as the realization of that would visually not be the best, it is no option for NE. Apart from that, the real issue is not the role or balance of the xBow, but his suitability in view of our timeline. After 1555 the xBow is simply not a weapon of choice anymore. It was in use by some militia. In Switzerland the xBow has been popular among the people for a longer time than in many other European regions.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:00 pm    Post subject:

Can you answer my question?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 10:09 pm    Post subject:

Iliander wrote:
Can you answer my question?
Hand cannoners/arquebusiers, no?
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