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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 8:44 pm    Post subject: Chinese Guide and Strategies

NOTE: SOME OF THE INFO'S IMAGE IS ON TOP OF THE NAME AND INFORMATION



CHINA

This is the guide to the Chinese civilization and Some strategies to it. (This guide took me a loong time to finish. Actually it's not even finished yet)
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THE BEST THINGS ABOUT CHINA:
The banner armies
Pretty cool buildings
Max population = 220
Houses are replaced by Villages, and Villages can substitute for Livestock Pens, Houses, and villagers can garrison in it.

Things to know about Asian Civilizations:
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The newest thing is the Exports. Exports allows you to exchange units for those exports that you gather. Those units are foreign units and you can probably have some musketeers in the Chinese City!!! (See Consulate for more)

The Home Shipment Cards:
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EMPEROR'S TREASURY:
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FORTRESS:
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IMPERIAL COURT:
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MERCHANT'S GUILD:
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CUSTOM'S HOUSE:
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Chinese Buildings and Descriptions (brief)

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Town Center
Self Explanatory, but you cannot age up in this. You cannot revolt but there are upgrades that you can do, two very special cool ones are Blockade and the upgrade that lets you see the enemy. The Irregulars are like Minuteman but cannot be sent again and looses health instead of dieing after amount of time. A card sent from home city can make them not loose hitpoints OVER TIME and can last forever unless deleted or killed. Also can produce villagers and revive your shaolin master after it is defeated (of-course, for a price that is)
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Market
You can upgrade the speed of your villager's natural resource gatherings and also trade resources for another resource.
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Monastry
Only one is allowed to be built. Trains mercenaries and upgrades your monks and shaolin master.
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Villages
Can train goats and water buffalos (only if you have gotten the water buffalo card from Home Shipment) Can upgrade your villages to support more population and the fatten time amount. Your sheeps, yak, water buffaloes, goats, etc will be fattened here.
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Rice Paddies
Up to 10 villagers can gather here. You can upgrade for faster gatherings and can also switch between food gathering or coin gathering.
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Consulate
Your allies can be chosen here, and depending on the amount of exports you have you can train western units here and special things, like trickles of food etc, see below for more.
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(Consulate choices when you just started your home city)


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http://i699.photobucket.com/albums/vv360/russell32896/41.png[/img] (Consulate choices when you are a higher home city level)


Choices (specialties and units are shown on the above images, I will just tell you what special things these allies give you below) :
BRITISH
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Surgeons, Spies, and Petards
RUSSIANS
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Blockhouse (Since the Chinese have no barracks, the blockhouse can be used as a defensive building, like an outpost), Fort, and Factory
FRENCH
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Crate of food, wood, and coin
GERMANS
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Trickles of food, wood, and coin

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War Academy
Trains Banner Armies
What are banner armies? Why they are almost similar to the Russian Unit spawn, banner armies train more then one unit when clicked, and will choose a set of unit types like cavalry combined with a couple infantry, etc. May upgrade your armies to get them stronger.

BANNER ARMY TYPES:
Old Han Army
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3 Cho Ko Nu 3 Qiang Pikeman

Standart Army (Yes it's called Standart and not Standard)
3 Cho Ko Nu 2 Steppe Rider

Ming Army
2 Qiang Pikeman 3 Keshik

Territorial Army
3 Changdao 3 Arquebusier

Forbidden Army
2 Meteor Hammer 2 Iron Flail

Imperial Army
3 Arquebusiers 2 Iron Flail

3 Keshik 3 Hand Mortar

Black Flag Army
3 Arquebusiers 1 Flamethrower
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Castle
A mixture of Fort and Outpost. Trains two other types of banner armies and also singly trains flamethrowers and hand mortars. Can also upgrade your armies and your castle. The castle has fewer hitpoints then the Fort and has arrows at first, next upgrade has a gun and last upgrade can get you a cannon.
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Dock
Trains ships and can heal ships. They might also be able to attack too.

WONDERS:
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Porcelein Tower
Trickles of resources will come to you
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White Pagoda
Powers up your monk and disciples and nearby units
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Summer Palace
Trains free banner armies
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Confucian Academy
Trains the one and only best seige weapon for the Chinese.
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Temple of Heaven
Shaolin Masters have abilities to heal and you can press a button called transcedence and heal all your units a bit. (the more units you have the less you heal, the less units you have the more health you heal)

UNITS

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Shaolin Master
This is your explorer, the above image is an unupgraded shaolin master. The max you can have is 2, although you can only gain one more by a home shipment card. It can train disciples, stun treasure guardians, do roundhouse kicks,can convert dead enemy units (see disciple for more), can do critical damage ,and can power up your units nearby. Below is an image of an upgraded one.
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Disciples
Best used to help out your shaolin master in treasure hunting. can also convert enemies into disciples after you have defeated that unit. The chances are low, though.
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Arquibusiers
The only chinese unit with a gun. They are spammed by some people because they are good against infantry and maybe cavalry
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Keshiks
Can be killed easily, but very cheap, and are very quick in killing melee cavalries
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Cho Ko Nu
Great at kiling heavy infantry units, fragile but is wonderful to see the rain of fast arrows going towards the enemies Smile
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Hand Mortar
Great against other seige weapons and ships, although it is a seige weapon it can kill units as well. Better at killing units than buildings
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Steppe Rider
Great against buildings, cheap and are good against archers and skirmishers
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Meteor Hammer
Melees at range, good at kiling escaping villagers and also great in detroying anti siege weapons
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Iron Flail
Great against skirmishers, infantries, and archers. Inflicts area damage and melee at range
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Changdao Swordsman
Good anti cavalry, and are pretty good melees
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Flamethrowers
GREAT at killing infantry, siege weapons, and buildings. Also a great thing to spam!
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Flying Crow
Only available via Confucian Academy or Home City shipments. Great against buildings, but too slow for units.
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Qiang Pikeman
great anti cavalry units
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Iron Troops
Mercenaries, even though they are chinese. They are archers and are great at heavy infantry
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Rattan Shields
Native Asians but looks chinese to me (lol) Great to have this as home shipment card because it will spawn 30 rattan shields which are greart against siege and infantry units, and will NOT affect the population capacity!
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Manchu
Great against infantry
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Villagers
You know what they do. Build, gather resources, can treasure hunt, and also ages up. Great hobbies at gathering and building, also screams a lot. A LOT!
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Mongol Scout
These are available only via treasures and home city shipments. They do not affect the population capacity and are only good at being a scout.

NAVY

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Fishing Boat
Just a fishing boat. The thing that is cool about this is that the fisherman is so lazy he uses ducks to gather fish for him. Look closely at the fishing boats, when you fish for whales they still bring up tiny golden fish Razz
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FuChuan
Supposidly be part of the Treasure Fleet? If so, then these are too small. The Treasure Fleet ships are about 20x bigger then caravels. They can train banner armies that are from the war academies and have special two cannonball attack.
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War Junk
Have cannons and can do a special attack blasting two cannons at once.
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Monitor
Basically European ships, with strong cannons and have a special abilitie to do even more damage.
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Fire Ship
Demolition Ships, great against docks and heavy ships. And funnily, all their names are chinese pinyin for things like "combustion, explode, kapow, explosion"

Economy Strategy:

To build a good economy without your villagers getting killed that much:
Build a lot of rice paddies, and make it even like 2 rice paddies produce coin 2 other produce food, not 3 rice paddies produce food and 1 produces coin.
Age up, build trade posts, etc, here is a suggestion:
Porcelein Tower (Wonder)
Factory (Russian Shipment from Consulate)
Trade Posts (From Trade routes)
Trickles (From German Shipment from Consulate) <-- You need a certain Home City level to get this.

Put all of these "free" produces for wood. Why only wood? Because alot of villagers get killed while getting wood, and as far as I know, I want to punch that CPU square in the face and slap him until he becomes part of the blue screen of death... (Yes I know CPU is not a human)

Wonders that you should have... suggestions if you should need it:

Porcelein Tower - Best for economy, produces supplies
White Pagoda - Not much use in my point of view. Unless you want to be a treasure freak, then get as much disciples and train your shaolin master to do that. If not, then this wonder is useless to you.
Temple of Heaven - If you choose to have the White Pagoda then do not have this. This Wonder lets your shaolin master heal and you can heal all your units at once with this button called "transcedence" although this is a complete lie, they only heal some of your units and only little of their health. Still, this is great for wars that you are about to loose.
Confucious Academy - I strongely recommend it, not just that it's sky blue colored, but it produces one of the none trainable unit in the castle nor the war academy, the flying crow. It is the only and probably the best siege weapon for the Chinese. They can also kill villagers easily, and it is also nice to watch the fireworks when your flying crow gets destroyed Smile
Summer Palace - I will recommend that this is the best if you want to have a strong military. It doesn't just produce that little Old Army.. it produces whichever banner army you want! Just click on it and you can choose! (Have not tested yet, but I think you might be able to produce forbidden armies too at just age 2)

Recommended Mercenaries (not including chinese mercenary units:

Ninjas (just because I like it)
Repetant Ronin For this unit, I recommend you having Iron Troop improvement cards, which lowers the population capacity to only 1 for this cool unit.

Recommended Cards:



My City Building Technique

Inner Resources
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Like what I have on my picture, the buildings that provides resources are put in the really back end, so that when enemies attack they will not get rid of my resource suppliers that fast. remember, put this INSIDE (For the Chinese, it is most preferrably the Rice Paddies, Porcelein Tower, White Pagoda, and or the Temple of Heaven.)
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Population Middle
I put my villages, town centers, and markets here. These are very close to the Inner Resources because my villages can spawn goats and water buffalos. But beside from that, they are also very important, because you cannot make an army without population!!!
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War End
I put all my military and defensive buildings outside. No matter if it is a wonder or not. I would most preferably put the wonders behind the war academies and forts or a bit further from the reach of an army though, because they can only be built once. This place can include: Castle, Fort, Confucious Academy, Summer Palace, Blockhouse, War Academy, Monastries, Towers (If any), Field Hospitals, and Consulates.
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Defensive Walls
I put walls on the outside just to make my city look nice and protect it against my enemies, so I get a heads up warning to prepare my army before I get my war academies destroyed. A clever idea would to build several walls, like walls protecting the inner wall, and the inner wall protecting the other inner wall. This is most definetly nice becuase sometimes CPU just pass you and attack somewhere else instead.




Things I will add later:

Navy Strategy

Videos

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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:05 pm    Post subject:

Not really much use to anyone who's played AOE much before. Maybe try adding a bit more in the walkthrough bit.

I can't help but notice that you appear to have listed ALL of the standard Chinese infantry and cavalry as things you should train, with the exception Steppe riders, but my point still stands. (note that I haven't played AOE3 for several months, I may have forgotten something)

And the Samurai guys are Ronin, Woku are horse-archers.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 10:33 pm    Post subject:

Ya thanks XD I play AoE like everyday but the funny thing is that I never remember their names 0.0

Oh ya I also just realized I named all the chinese infantries and cavalries. Stupid me! lol I had a test today so my brain's squashed. Stupid teacher said we only had one period to do that test and we had to write an essay in the test too.

I'll be changing that, thanks for the comment! Mr. Green
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 12:41 pm    Post subject:

Well, u forgot that u need a certain HC level to have Russians as allies, and the cards.

I always spammed Arquebusiers, but I might try ur Melee tactic, too.

4 out of five, but overall very good strategy Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 9:11 pm    Post subject:

thanks! I'm going to take mroe screenies and help since I did cheat a bit when I first got my home city and that is because I first got TAD XDDD
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 10:00 pm    Post subject:

Hmm... what kind of strategy is this? To be a strategy, I think, it needs some more flesh.

It is good general information though Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:16 am    Post subject:

Don't know if I'm allowed to double post or bump, I'm new but I'm going to delete one of my posts if we are not allowed to.

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I added heck a lot stuff!

@SAOL Yah its going to be more guide than strategy but still I will include strategies
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 11:56 am    Post subject:

Maybe you should consider to make the images a bit smaller or perhaps put them in spoilers? That many pictures of that size makes the site load forever for a lot of people, and it screws up the font and generally makes it more difficult to read. Just general advise. Wink
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 3:08 pm    Post subject:

SAOL wrote:
Maybe you should consider to make the images a bit smaller or perhaps put them in spoilers? That many pictures of that size makes the site load forever for a lot of people, and it screws up the font and generally makes it more difficult to read. Just general advise. Wink

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 7:38 pm    Post subject:

SAOL wrote:
Maybe you should consider to make the images a bit smaller or perhaps put them in spoilers? That many pictures of that size makes the site load forever for a lot of people, and it screws up the font and generally makes it more difficult to read. Just general advise. Wink


Thank you ;D I shall do it right now
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:18 pm    Post subject:

I like your deck. Especially the Confucian card and the Rattan Shield card.

I suggest building most walls before using the Great Wall card. It gives walls so much HP that they take much longer to build.

I really like using the card that increases Chu Ko Nu and Pikeman HP and Attack. It makes them cost a little more, but those two units are fairly effective together if they are supported by flamethrowers.
Plus, most of China's regular units (not mercs) suck. Just a little bit weaker all around. Their advantage is definitely population. Extra villis means you can retrain more armies more quickly.
Also, Iron Flail: always good to have a few of them. But Meteor Hammers are not as vital.. BTW, what are "anti siege weapons", Talon? Did you mean they are good anti siege units?
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:36 pm    Post subject:

Um that was the only word I can think up my mind XD but I meant like they are REALLY affective against enemy's seige units. I used my flamethrower once and it destroyed a cannon in a snap almost! (ok maybe a quadruple snaps) but it is highly recommended for doing that job and are really good at it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:14 pm    Post subject:

Flamethrowers have short range compared to cannon. That can make it tricky to use them as good anti-arty I think.

I love flamethrowers though. I am so happy friendly fire doesn't exist sometimes Devil
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:58 pm    Post subject:

I lol'd at the last part XD I usually use flamethrowers to sneakily go up to the cannon when they are most concentrated at killing my cav and inf Mr. Green
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:14 pm    Post subject:

If I were you, I would try to avoid getting in that situation in the first place lol

But on the other hand - human sacrifice of small computer men is strangely fun and pleasing Devil
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 1:52 am    Post subject:

lol SAOL you made my day XDDD
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